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	<title>Comments on: Bought Inter Pipeline Fund And Boston Pizza Royalty Income Fund</title>
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		<title>By: moneygardener (AKA investor99)</title>
		<link>http://financialjungle.com/2007/08/02/investing/bought-inter-pipeline-fund-and-boston-pizza-royalty-income-fund/#comment-506</link>
		<author>moneygardener (AKA investor99)</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 16:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>"with no dependency on the restaurants’ profitability."

I guess the stable cash flow has no dependence on their profitability, unless of course they went bankrupt, however the growth of the dist. and share price would obviously be highly dependant on that profitability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;with no dependency on the restaurants’ profitability.&#8221;</p>
<p>I guess the stable cash flow has no dependence on their profitability, unless of course they went bankrupt, however the growth of the dist. and share price would obviously be highly dependant on that profitability.</p>
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		<title>By: moneygardener (AKA investor99)</title>
		<link>http://financialjungle.com/2007/08/02/investing/bought-inter-pipeline-fund-and-boston-pizza-royalty-income-fund/#comment-507</link>
		<author>moneygardener (AKA investor99)</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 16:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Sounds like it's essentially a play on the Boston Pizza Brand.  I think the restaraunt has a very good niche.

Good Baked Shrimp Penné too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like it&#8217;s essentially a play on the Boston Pizza Brand.  I think the restaraunt has a very good niche.</p>
<p>Good Baked Shrimp Penné too!</p>
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		<title>By: Financial Jungle Guy</title>
		<link>http://financialjungle.com/2007/08/02/investing/bought-inter-pipeline-fund-and-boston-pizza-royalty-income-fund/#comment-508</link>
		<author>Financial Jungle Guy</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>To clarify, the fund owns the brand, but not the restaurants.  Profitability is a function of sales and costs.  Within normal operating parameters, the fund’s cash flow doesn’t depend on the restaurants’ profitability.  For example, the fund receives identical royalties from 2 BP restaurants with identical sales even if they have different profitability.

Last year, BPI opened 41 new restaurants and closed down 1.  Obviously, if the number of restaurants is shrinking, that may reduce the fund’s cash flow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To clarify, the fund owns the brand, but not the restaurants.  Profitability is a function of sales and costs.  Within normal operating parameters, the fund’s cash flow doesn’t depend on the restaurants’ profitability.  For example, the fund receives identical royalties from 2 BP restaurants with identical sales even if they have different profitability.</p>
<p>Last year, BPI opened 41 new restaurants and closed down 1.  Obviously, if the number of restaurants is shrinking, that may reduce the fund’s cash flow.</p>
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		<title>By: Financial Jungle Guy</title>
		<link>http://financialjungle.com/2007/08/02/investing/bought-inter-pipeline-fund-and-boston-pizza-royalty-income-fund/#comment-509</link>
		<author>Financial Jungle Guy</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Here's a Boston Pizza post from the CB forum by "Justise":

I started buying Boston Pizza [BPF.UN] recently when I did deeper into the fundamentals. 

SSSG [same store sale growth] averages 6.4% for the past 10 years with 2006 SSSG of 8.4%. On top of SSSG, there are also new restaurents addition. On aggregate therefore, the total sale growth is to the tune of around 18%. 

Purely on SSSG rate, Boston Pizza as a business are better than the likes of expanding businesses like Wal-Mart, Tim Horton, McDonalds, Shoppers Drug Mart, Sleep Country etc. Yet the P/E is the lowest of all named and the yield is the highest and aggregate sales growth are in double digits. There is in theory, no capex required as all but 3 are franchise stores, and so are all new restaurents commitments on hand.

Boston Pizza is therefore a value stock, a growth stock and a high yield stock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a Boston Pizza post from the CB forum by &#8220;Justise&#8221;:</p>
<p>I started buying Boston Pizza [BPF.UN] recently when I did deeper into the fundamentals. </p>
<p>SSSG [same store sale growth] averages 6.4% for the past 10 years with 2006 SSSG of 8.4%. On top of SSSG, there are also new restaurents addition. On aggregate therefore, the total sale growth is to the tune of around 18%. </p>
<p>Purely on SSSG rate, Boston Pizza as a business are better than the likes of expanding businesses like Wal-Mart, Tim Horton, McDonalds, Shoppers Drug Mart, Sleep Country etc. Yet the P/E is the lowest of all named and the yield is the highest and aggregate sales growth are in double digits. There is in theory, no capex required as all but 3 are franchise stores, and so are all new restaurents commitments on hand.</p>
<p>Boston Pizza is therefore a value stock, a growth stock and a high yield stock.</p>
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		<title>By: moneygardener (AKA investor99)</title>
		<link>http://financialjungle.com/2007/08/02/investing/bought-inter-pipeline-fund-and-boston-pizza-royalty-income-fund/#comment-510</link>
		<author>moneygardener (AKA investor99)</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 19:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I don't agree with any comparision of P/Es or other metrics with these other food retailers.  The structure is not the same, it's apples to oranges.  You are protected from downside with the 4% of revenue, but you are also buffered from upside, because earnings due to cost cutting and margin expansion are what can drive these businesses, not just sales growth as with BPF.UN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree with any comparision of P/Es or other metrics with these other food retailers.  The structure is not the same, it&#8217;s apples to oranges.  You are protected from downside with the 4% of revenue, but you are also buffered from upside, because earnings due to cost cutting and margin expansion are what can drive these businesses, not just sales growth as with BPF.UN.</p>
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		<title>By: Financial Jungle Guy</title>
		<link>http://financialjungle.com/2007/08/02/investing/bought-inter-pipeline-fund-and-boston-pizza-royalty-income-fund/#comment-511</link>
		<author>Financial Jungle Guy</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 20:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Another way to look at risk/reward is that with 9.5% yield + 6% SSSG on the table, why chance it with margin expansion?  

Moreover, SSSG can be forever, but margin expansion is only temporary plus there is a pratical ceiling.  Over the long-term, a company can only cut costs so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another way to look at risk/reward is that with 9.5% yield + 6% SSSG on the table, why chance it with margin expansion?  </p>
<p>Moreover, SSSG can be forever, but margin expansion is only temporary plus there is a pratical ceiling.  Over the long-term, a company can only cut costs so much.</p>
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		<title>By: moneygardener (AKA investor99)</title>
		<link>http://financialjungle.com/2007/08/02/investing/bought-inter-pipeline-fund-and-boston-pizza-royalty-income-fund/#comment-512</link>
		<author>moneygardener (AKA investor99)</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 20:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I agree with you, but the same horsepower is not there that you might get with a Shoppers or Hortons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you, but the same horsepower is not there that you might get with a Shoppers or Hortons.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
		<link>http://financialjungle.com/2007/08/02/investing/bought-inter-pipeline-fund-and-boston-pizza-royalty-income-fund/#comment-513</link>
		<author>Harry</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 03:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>IPL.UN  has a payout ratio of 80%.  IN fact its net income is less than payout.  Its capex is 1/3rd of depreciation historically for every year except 2006 which means it has been underspending on investments.  Also its Book value change has been -10% over 5 years which means it is not adding to its business equity.  Besides GlobeInvestor gives it only 2 stars.  Overall my analysis does not indicate anything to be excited  about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IPL.UN  has a payout ratio of 80%.  IN fact its net income is less than payout.  Its capex is 1/3rd of depreciation historically for every year except 2006 which means it has been underspending on investments.  Also its Book value change has been -10% over 5 years which means it is not adding to its business equity.  Besides GlobeInvestor gives it only 2 stars.  Overall my analysis does not indicate anything to be excited  about.</p>
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		<title>By: Financial Jungle Guy</title>
		<link>http://financialjungle.com/2007/08/02/investing/bought-inter-pipeline-fund-and-boston-pizza-royalty-income-fund/#comment-514</link>
		<author>Financial Jungle Guy</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 04:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Harry, you're evaluating a pipeline trust as if it's a common stock.

Inter Pipeline can freely depreciate its assets to derive at the most tax advantageous position.  By over depreciating, its income and book naturally fall short "on paper".

BTW, 80% payout is conservative for pipeline trusts.

Have you read my post on "How to pick pipeline trusts"?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harry, you&#8217;re evaluating a pipeline trust as if it&#8217;s a common stock.</p>
<p>Inter Pipeline can freely depreciate its assets to derive at the most tax advantageous position.  By over depreciating, its income and book naturally fall short &#8220;on paper&#8221;.</p>
<p>BTW, 80% payout is conservative for pipeline trusts.</p>
<p>Have you read my post on &#8220;How to pick pipeline trusts&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
		<link>http://financialjungle.com/2007/08/02/investing/bought-inter-pipeline-fund-and-boston-pizza-royalty-income-fund/#comment-522</link>
		<author>Harry</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 22:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Ok I went back and read your post on how to pick pipeline trusts and can see where the Capex gets confusing.  Also being a novice in Income Trusts I did not know that 80% payout ratio is OK. I hold ARC energy, Pengrowth, Prime west and Canadian Oil Sands.  All of them from before Flah&#38;Y(*Y dropped the bomb.  What do you think of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok I went back and read your post on how to pick pipeline trusts and can see where the Capex gets confusing.  Also being a novice in Income Trusts I did not know that 80% payout ratio is OK. I hold ARC energy, Pengrowth, Prime west and Canadian Oil Sands.  All of them from before Flah&amp;Y(*Y dropped the bomb.  What do you think of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Financial Jungle Guy</title>
		<link>http://financialjungle.com/2007/08/02/investing/bought-inter-pipeline-fund-and-boston-pizza-royalty-income-fund/#comment-523</link>
		<author>Financial Jungle Guy</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 03:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The only one that I follow is COS.un.  Even then, I don't own any oil and gas trusts.  Income trusts by nature are too dependent on the prevailing interest rate.  I don't need to add oil and gas prices to equation.  

IMO, a pipeline play, like Inter Pipeline, is a safer way to participate in the O&#038;G sector.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only one that I follow is COS.un.  Even then, I don&#8217;t own any oil and gas trusts.  Income trusts by nature are too dependent on the prevailing interest rate.  I don&#8217;t need to add oil and gas prices to equation.  </p>
<p>IMO, a pipeline play, like Inter Pipeline, is a safer way to participate in the O&#038;G sector.</p>
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